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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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johnb wrote:
vikmarlo wrote:Well then I'd say humans had better find a habitable planet to colonise, get there soon, like yesterday ~ and not fucking Mars ! (dumbshits ! waste of money, resources, time, energy, lives)

days here are numbered ~ and the number is small


why would u think that ?
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I shall hereby refrain from comment on the religion analogy, other than to cite two factors to consider:

a )Creation (by that I mean the physical and energetic manifestation of the universe we can observe),

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b ) impossibility of disproof

(basically, this dissertation would entail a separate thread for a tangential subject I've already written two books on, and alas, typing these posts on a three-inch wide touchscreen smartphone keyboard is a tangential frigging pain in the arse! :-D)

...oh yeah ! ...am I the dumbshit! I forgot I have voice-to-text! well now this could be a game changer, most likely after the holidays. I hope everyone has a wonderful winter solstice year finale ~ a safe and very happy one !
Cheers one and all !
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Davesax1965 wrote:To give you all an example of what I mean by "a religion", take the fact that an object in the sky streaks off at massively high speed. No sonic boom.

Basic physics can tell you that anything travelling faster than Mach 1 compresses the air in front of it. This creates a shockwave, and hence a sonic boom.

So. None observed. We can presume two things - (a) it's just a reflection or some kind of mysterious trick of the light - there's nothing really there - or we say ah, well, tell you what, if there was no friction, there'd be no sonic boom. Therefore UFO's are made of frictionless material. (Actually, they'd still displace air, so that's wrong.)

Given that the acceleration is so massive, any living thing aboard an object which suddenly whizzes across the sky would turn to liquid. So the illogical conclusions is "that UFO's use liquid damping to protect those aboard from sudden massive acceleration (actually, when you read it up, it'd probably work to about 20-30G but not beyond that.)

In both cases, what's happened is "Star Trek science". The UFO devotee says oh well, I can explain this by conjuring this obscure fact out of thin air, which I don't quite understand, and that must be how it works.

And that's basically how religion works. No proof, belief based on a number of half truths, obfuscations and an inability to actually say stop, let's look at this from a scientific viewpoint.

In 70 years of supposed alien visitation, there is not one shred of physical evidence. Conveniently, this can be masqued by a conspiracy theory which says "Governments don't want you to know, so they clean everything up".

Which is just paranoid fantasy. Applied to back up a *belief* without *evidence* or scientific fact.


Whilst I applaud your championing of rational thought, Dave, you have to realise that the laws of physics no longer apply - it's called the 'Post-truth Paradigm'....
http://hawkwindforum.freeforums.org/post126914.html#p126914

Plus, of course, it's panto season ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSQ3mgstY4

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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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While sitting on the fence, I'd suggest that by changing the shape of space time (which IS definitely permissible under the standard model) the physical rules will also change. The curvature can be changed by mass or energy. An intelligence that can manage interstellar travel would surely have that sort of energy available.

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HairyGT4 wrote:While sitting on the fence, I'd suggest that by changing the shape of space time (which IS definitely permissible under the standard model) the physical rules will also change. The curvature can be changed by mass or energy. An intelligence that can manage interstellar travel would surely have that sort of energy available.



I find it's far more comfortable if you just sit on both sides of the fence at the same time. :)

"A Schrödinger cat living in two boxes"
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6289/1087

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Once a mere thought only to my own self-conscience on fitting occassion, I now consider the plethora of conceivable instances for which I might find recitation of the following an appropriate response :

"I am not of this world...
I am only in it, and for but a very short time
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Davesax1965 wrote:"SETI, despite 50 years of listening, hasn't discovered any transmissions of intelligent life within thousands of light years...



I love that for years SETI was puzzled by mysterious signals, only to find they were from people heating their lunch in the microwave. :lol:

Still, I think it's great that SETI are doing what they do. Maybe aliens just don't talk much...

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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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i really suggest that you all tune in and listen to what he is saying / disclosing ..
it's pretty mindblowing ..


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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:54 am 
Oh yes, I want to believe.

But I unortunately can't. ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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yes dave .. because ur logical mind is soooo closed ;)

there is only 2 possibilities to this guy tompkins
either he is on the level
or he is full of bullshit ..

and still as yet i can find NO debunking of his info (and believe me i'm trying to find something) !!

infact it quite the opposite .. other notable ufo researchers seem to be agreeing ..


you will be proved wrong dave ..

ufos do exist .. both man made reproductions (ARV'S) and ET ones .


mountains of evidence ..

but it's a mountain you are choosing not to climb ;)


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 Post subject: Re: William Tompkins -- UFO disclosure
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at 8.33 into this vid ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGiVd_l1n4&t=0s


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at 8.33 into this vid ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGiVd_l1n4&t=0s


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I'll go with the "full of ********" option, after reading up on one of his books on Amazon. It sounded utterly absurd. One reviewer even suggested he was giving ufologists a bad name.

I don't buy the idea that this stuff has to be debunked. As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't believe he was close minded.

When some evidence comes along that isn't grainy blurry footage on a youtube video or it might be worth paying attention to.

When someone more like a Scully rather than a Mulder is saying we might have something here.

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I'll go with the "full of ********" option, after reading up on one of his books on Amazon. It sounded utterly absurd. One reviewer even suggested he was giving ufologists a bad name.

I don't buy the idea that this stuff has to be debunked. As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't believe he was close minded. As he suggested it's a very Anthropocentric idea that aliens are constantly visiting us. But at the same time he thought the idea of extraterrestrial life was very likely.

When some evidence comes along that isn't grainy blurry footage on a youtube video or it might be worth paying attention to.

When someone more like a Scully rather than a Mulder is saying we might have something here.

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