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 Post subject: Re: Systematic Takedown Of A Tyrant : Timeline
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'War Pigs' don't seem to go away! - well done the Sab's!


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I see Kim Jong Lard Bucket's latest missile failed badly. With a bit of luck he'll save us all a lot of hassle and blow himself up, thus doing the whole world a favour.

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Brown Dawn wrote:'War Pigs' don't seem to go away! - well done the Sab's!


Great track, great album... :wink:

Apparently they wanted to call the album War Pigs but weren't allowed.

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War Pigs don't seem to go away


true, and [according to] what the Bible says 'War Pigs ' never will go away ~ it doesn't mean we yield a just cause; rather it seems to mean we shouldn't place our faith in humankind, as it appears from where I stand

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think you stand well Vik! - got a boring mass today - 65 minutes - oh me knee's 's - no spiritualism but maybe i'm selfish - 3 pints afterwards went down well -benediction!- soul saver! - the sermon/homily stuff was so boring - ah shur! - more importantly - safe home to the hawk family today - tomato soup/roast beef/tiramisu have been consumed - love to all - gonna crack a can open - may the sun rise!


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a week goes by slowly in these times, from my view at least!

well, just when I thought things might finally start to simmer down, this :

Kim Jung-un fans flames and takes 'nuclear ransom'  to new level.

You thought the DPRK government couldn't top it's previous outrageous threats (by which Kim Jung-un's government stated that if the U.S. continued defending its allies in the region, then the citizens of Seoul would "pay the price" in a preemptive nuclear strike ~ you may recall that in saying this, he was speaking of the same South Korea which he claims he wants to unite with, in a single Korean State of harmony and sunshine) 

Well, think again ~ now Kim has taken to specifically threatening any nation within his missles' reach ~ in this case Australia ~ simply for continuing to remain allies with the United States.

From UPI:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... m_medium=2


By continuing his current strategy he is effectively attempting to hold the Asian-Pacific region hostage,
thus far not really saying what the 'ransom' might be, other than the implication that his adversaries should not maintain military defences - that, and they should join his country in becoming a self-proclaimed enemy of the U.S., thereby effectively reducing the number of options which his adversaries are likely to remain in consideration of:

IMO, one option is a policy of continuing to maintain costly defences of the countries to which DPRK  proclaims itself a determined threat,  whilst basically ignoring North Korean sabre-rattling ~ in other words, be prepared and hope DPRK isn't serious about a preemptive first strike (assuming Kim Jung-un is smart enough to understand the concept of assured self-annihilation), all the while continuing to try and persuade Kim to sit down to talks with North Korea's neighbors and reverse escalations (which thus far his government has summarily rejected); this would likely be contingent upon assurances from DPRK 's adversaries, now apparently any country which maintains diplomatic and economic ties with Western Europe and North America, that all nations concerned are willing to agree to an accord of non-first strike policy . Kim would also have to change his propaganda-tack within his own nation, which would make him look like a weak leader to some, political fallout there.

If Kim were exceptionally intelligent, one might surmise that he'd be capable of perceiving that if the U.S. was considering using a nuclear weapon, then they wouldn't be wasting huge amounts of money in preparation for conventional warfare.

Could be the result of organic brain damage.

Or is it? Could it be he is simply another terrorist, supplying radical Islamist groups with nuclear materials and technology in exchange for cash ?

I suspect he is both.



 





 

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Kim Jong Un is the puppet of the Pacific.
Big brother gets little brother to start a fight so that the former can
take over and prove how tough he is.
Don't mistake mental instability as being a lack of intelligence.
Every move is scanned and planned.

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I had considered that, VG

I think much in the same way we should not pay too much attention to Trump's rhetoric ( rather, pay mind to what he actually does )
the same is true of Kim's provocations.
It is ironic that the one individual that appears most likely to react to Kim is Trump !

We all know Trump is a successful business man. It is clear that, while he may be a tough negotiator when it comes to trade deals, he's not a diplomat nor is he a statesman.

I do believe that you are right about Kim trying to pick a fight.

If Trump learns statesmanship through all of this, it may be demonstrated first in his ability to refrain from real provocations against North Korea (Trump has made his point already - no need for him to fan the fire any further) , and to not be egged into a first-strike by anything Kim or his cronies might say or appear to be preparing to do.

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 Post subject: China, North Korea & The Pacific Puppet Theatre
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CBC reported two hours ago:

"...Pyongyang continues to trade through a shadowy network of shell companies in China.

And on Friday, four North Korean ships were reportedly allowed to dock at a Chinese port that handles coal — after a vow from Beijing that it would ban purchases of coal from North Korea.

That commodity and its Chinese customers are the main source of foreign income for Pyongyang
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despite the fact that China only placed a ceiling on coal exports from DPRK (without credibility verifiers, it's basically the honour system as to when the limit is reached ) the evidence seems to point in strong affirmation of your assertion, Voilodian Ghagnasdiak

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one wonders which of the two has the coolest hairstyle - i think both should let it grow out a little - trump then going for a possible dread's/crimp type thing with a teddy boy/new romantic type deal for kim - on a more serious note they should be forced to do 12 rounds with each other in a boxing ring leaving joe public to get on with trying to eek out a living - western foreign policy has a tendency to try and deflect public attention away from internal policy and more important things such as why do people have to sleep rough and go hungry and i'm sure it's the same in north korea - the amount of money spent/wasted on arms is obscene in my opinion - round the table discussions should at least be ongoing if they are not already


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 Post subject: Re: China, North Korea & The Pacific Puppet Theatre
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Excellent point, Brown Dawn ~ and I feel talks would be taking place if China insisted on it ~ DPRK refuses talks for a reason, and it's fair to surmise there is no real incentive ~ which gives significant weight to VG's point. Hairy GT4 said as much in this thread or related (WW3), that China could end it today, and it does seem to press the point mentioned today by CBC ~ there is no real international involvement despite this being arguably the most serious international crisis world leaders are faced with.

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vikmarlo wrote:a week goes by slowly in these times, from my view at least!

well, just when I thought things might finally start to simmer down, this :

Kim Jung-un fans flames and takes 'nuclear ransom'  to new level.

You thought the DPRK government couldn't top it's previous outrageous threats (by which Kim Jung-un's government stated that if the U.S. continued defending its allies in the region, then the citizens of Seoul would "pay the price" in a preemptive nuclear strike ~ you may recall that in saying this, he was speaking of the same South Korea which he claims he wants to unite with, in a single Korean State of harmony and sunshine) 

Well, think again ~ now Kim has taken to specifically threatening any nation within his missles' reach ~ in this case Australia ~ simply for continuing to remain allies with the United States. 


Except that the threats about Australia are empty. Their missiles cannot reach anywhere near here, as this infographic from Business Insider (Sept 16) shows: http://www.businessinsider.com/north-ko ... 016-9?IR=T

Some reports are a little less deceitful in saying they may be able to reach us within 3 years, but conceding that can't at the moment. It's just speculation.

Far too much of the western media is reporting this kind of stuff without challenging it. Just more propaganda to make us believe that NK is more of a threat than it actually is, and without any real context.

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I have to agree, Etherealise.

And as this graphic from John Pilger's latest film (links in the WWIII thread somewhere) shows, you can kind of understand why Kim might still feel the need for all the anti-imperialist polemic.

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A wider understanding of the history of the region and why such a bizarre regime as North Korea would come into being might help see through all the propaganda (on both sides).

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SteamAbacus wrote:A wider understanding of the history of the region and why such a bizarre regime as North Korea would come into being might help see through all the propaganda (on both sides).


Agreed. :wink:

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Etherealise wrote:
Far too much of the western media is reporting this kind of stuff without challenging it. Just more propaganda to make us believe that NK is more of a threat than it actually is, and without any real context.

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The line about DPRKs threat against Australia came from North Korea, as reported by UPI;

"North Korea warned Australia it could strike the continent with nuclear weapons if Australia remained an ally of the United States."


North Korea did in fact issue the statement ~ thus it
[ would be ] Kim Jung un's propaganda, not the media's.


The news article did not challenge the assertion because UPI does not engage in the interpretation of facts, only the straight reporting of them.

Edit :

it is only when news agencies start interpreting the facts for us that we start running into media propaganda.

Edit #2 :

We are free to interpret the news as we each may, but I would point out that the statement in that article does in fact have real context :

North Korea issued a threat - that is a fact.

whether there is any credibility to the threat or not, the statement in of itself does have an impact on the immediate political climate in the context of international involvement in the crisis.

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