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 Post subject: Re: Systematic Takedown Of A Tyrant : Timeline
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:27 am 
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Brown Dawn wrote:I think imperialism, in particular, inflicted by the western world, has a lot to answer for...


That's putting it mildly!

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Just who, exactly, are these people being refered to as "the western world " ?

A bit too equivocal, is it not ?

I would caution sternly against falling into the sort of "collective-guilt " bulls hit that morons like Roger Waters have been known to pedal.

If one lives in a society that has been misrepresented by covert operatives or power-mongers from within, or its citizens deceived by those who spend constituent's tax dollars undertaking actions which are abhorrent to anyone of social-conscience, then one better sure as hell be calling out names, whether private individuals, money-lobbies, corporate CEOs, politicians, take your choice.

How is directing implication of gross injustice using allegorical phrases any different than racialism ?

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the main one's that spring to mind are Britain, US, Germany, France, Russia, Portugal - bearing in mind the difference between imperialism and colonialism if memory serves - i would say a lot of other country's - like Ireland are subservient to imperialist policies é.g the shannon airport 'drop off' to pick up US troops coming to and fro to pursue their evil work and allowing passage of people, some innocent, for punishment in guantanamo bay - and when Joe public protested against this here - they were sentenced to eat porridge and now have a criminal record - that is neither democratic nor right


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agreed, Brown Dawn ~ and I will further name names, those operatives within the various government offices of administration, and those money-interests, e.g. industrial-complex conglomerates, which undertook or funded those actions, if I dont list them here they nevertheless will be pointed out in direct citizens-action initiatives.

In light of the recent twist in this thread I want to make clear that in regard to my previous post (above)  I should have explained therein that I am indeed guilty within many a discussion (not recalling specifically, though surely somewhere down these back pages) of having over-generalised my own phrasing to the point of questionable profiling, or more specifically the type of racialism which I just pointed out.

Let it be known to all who contribute here that I always regard and benefit personally from your shared opinions, especially those I debate on principle of faith, philosophical, or ideological ground.

Before I go into describing my latest phase of syncretism, I would like to relate in my own words a story about the late and former Beatle George Harrison.
Most know, I am sure, that he and his second wife and widow, Olivia, were once attacked by an invader in their home.   George, being the gentle and loving soul he is, at first tried to calm and talk to the attacker when first confronted.  While this approach certainly demonstrates courage and resolute faith, ( the man he was facing held a knife)  it did nevertheless in my mind exhibit a certain naïveté, as by not seeing to it that he would be first capable of neutralising any threat in a defencive capacity,  he clearly put his wife and himself in further grave danger.  It was in fact Olivia who took it upon herself to strike the attacker with an household object ~ a lamp, IIRC. Unfortunately this only occurred after George had been seriously and near-fatally wounded by the knife the man was weilding, while her action unquestionably saved both of their lives.

This story illustrates, to me, the line of demarcation, where pacifism ceases to serve any logical or moral purpose.

To veer back on topic,  if in a somewhat roundabout manner,
U.S. president Donald Trump, while having stated his objective of modernising and upgrading his country's nuclear arsenal, just as the Chinese and Russian governments are currently doing, has nonetheless stated an objective to pull out of involvement in foreign affairs, from the standpoint of military intervention.  One example is his statement that he wishes to hold talks with the government of DPRK. Another is his idea that NATO is not necessarily a treaty to which the U.S. should be a signatory; e.g. let the countries of Europe that are within Russia's geographical sphere of military influence shoulder the encumbrance of their own defence against potential expansionist annexations.   While it is true that one cannot necessarily rely on the things any politician says , the new American president has only been in office just a little over a month at this point, so we wait and see if his pledge to draw back from involvement in imperialist-style global-policing and stated promise to deliver American government from the control of the elite establishment (which can be construed to mean the oligarchic power interests) back into the hands of the American people ( I for one am not holding my breath ) is an honest and sincere commitment out of true patriotism or if it was all merely rhetoric used in order to get elected.  Time and action, though not necessarily eventual outcome, will be the judge.

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i enjoy your insight Vik - don't be so self conscious! - the world would be a boring place if we all agreed although I think the majority of humans have more in common than not - we all strive for more or less the same things - i remember Harrison getting stabbed which I think induced/accelerated cancer which was a tragedy - i suppose prevention is better than cure as regards society in general and incidents like that (a 90 year old man was killed here recently for a few quid) - how to go about that is the question - most people that do time here continually re-offend so prison without education and all that doesn't seem to work - again I harp on about parenthood - guidance is required from an early age - there are always exceptions of course


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^cheers for the kind word, mate !

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just reading the latest...

"Kuryong Falls !!???

... slowly they turn,
step by step, inch by inch...
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(yeah, that was before my time too, but not for classic reruns!)

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get an 'A' grade on that one HGT! - hope you have it patented!


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