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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:08 pm 
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maybe tr#mp's bark is worse than his bite - he has to abide by the constitution either way - maybe he has done his night of the long knives


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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
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as a semi post-script - the great john lydon - book - 'no black's, no irish, no dog's' - cool dude!


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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
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As promised previously
(in the links thread)

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worth tracking down a copy ~ you can still get one on Amazon.


 
Author Kinzer tends toward criticism of siblings who conducted American foreign affairs in the 1950s. Framing his assessment as a dual biography of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and CIA director Allen Dulles, Kinzer roots their anti-Communist policies in their belief in American exceptionalism and its Wilsonian application to promote democracy in the world. Less abstractly, the Dulles brothers were politically connected Wall Street lawyers, servants of corporate power, according to Kinzer. Their personalities, however, were starkly different. John Foster was serious-minded and maritally faithful. Gregarious Allen was a serial cheater. With such character portraits as backdrop, Kinzer arraigns the Dulles brothers’ operations against several countries. Detailing American actions in Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, and Cuba, Kinzer crafts a negative perspective on the legacy of the Dulles brothers, whom he absolves slightly from blame because their compatriots widely approved of their providential sense of America’s role in world affairs. A historical critique sure to spark debate.

A joint biography of John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, who led the United States into an unseen war that decisively shaped today's world

During the 1950s, when the Cold War was at its peak, two immensely powerful brothers led the United States into a series of foreign adventures whose effects are still shaking the world.

John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the background of American culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?

The Brothers explores hidden forces that shape the national psyche, from religious piety to Western movies―many of which are about a noble gunman who cleans up a lawless town by killing bad guys. This is how the Dulles brothers saw themselves, and how many Americans still see their country's role in the world.

Propelled by a quintessentially American set of fears and delusions, the Dulles brothers launched violent campaigns against foreign leaders they saw as threats to the United States. These campaigns helped push countries from Guatemala to the Congo into long spirals of violence, led the United States into the Vietnam War, and laid the foundation for decades of hostility between the United States and countries from Cuba to Iran.

The story of the Dulles brothers is the story of 20th century America. It illuminates and helps explain the modern history of the United States and the world.
 

Two exceptionally important stories take up the bulk of Kinzer's book, and both are told with considerable insight and disciplined prose.The first is the tale of the "secret world war" of American violence and political subversion in the early half of the Cold War, and this is the story Kinzer most clearly wishes to tell. The second, closely related, is an instiutional saga of the consequences that arose from the shared power of two brothers who simultaneously ran the CIA and the state department—the covert and public faces of American foreign policy. 

Anyone wanting insight into why the United States is hated across much of the world need look no farther than this book.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
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Don't forget all UK ers. Midnight is tax confession online deadline. Just finished mine and the Joy of being a law-abiding citizen is immeasurable. Obviously Mr. Trump is much smarter than me, but I will sleep well tonight knowing I will not have caused further embarrassment to the Queen by her having to send her boys around...
Today is a day of days !


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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:30 am 
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from United Press International :

http://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2017/03 ... 1488487149

Unidentified country orders Saab target vehicle system

" The AUV62-AT is an autonomous, underwater acoustic target vehicle system that mimics a submarine in a way that is compatible with any torpedo and anti-submarine warfare sonar on the market today."
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I think the fact that the nation which is purchasing this so-called "training " target will, according to SAAB, "not be disclosed " would clearly indicate that the system's 'submarine mimicking ' capacity is intended for deployment as a target deception strategy.   In this hypothesized implementation, it really does not matter which nation will be deploying them ~ the net result is of no less significant an outcome.

It is reasonable to assume, nonetheless, that since the nation's identity is being closely guarded, it is therefore one which would not benefit from having its identity disclosed ~ this narrows-down, rather conveniently I might add, this list of possible suspects by eliminating from consideration those which obviously would benefit from public knowledge of their identity.

One question which needs to be considered in a situation such as this is :

do weapons and weapons-defence systems   manufacturers have any responsibility to sovereign nations and their laws ?   The implications of the answer to that are profound, from both the standpoint of global security and the very idea of legal sovereignty itself.

This would appear to mark a very significant point of departure from adherence to the latter, if, in fact, it is up to SAAB whether or not they are beholden to any sovereign or collective of nations in the first place.

Remember ~ ONLY a nation whose identity need be kept secret is purchasing and deploying the system.
It might be reasonable to assume it is a nation whose identity being made public  would hurt SAAB corporation ~ a company currently owned by Spyker N.V. , which is, as of November 13, 2005, engaged in a strategic alliance with Mubadala Development Company ,  wholly owned by the government of the United Arab Emirates .

[Edit] : information in the above paragraph WAS NOT included in the UPI article, nor was it provided by United Press International in relation to inquiries.

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 Post subject: Re: Peace Sells But Who's Buying ?
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chilling report from Associated Press :

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 6-18-42-41

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