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 Post subject: He Who Shall Not Be Named
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:23 am 
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Article with HWSNBN in the recent Classic Rock. Brief story of career but the items of interest are:

1- according to him the trademark issue in USA failed

2 - On the issues with DB - he states "I think we ought to just get together and play together. Do something that can only benefit us both."

Perhaps the reporter sums it up best in his last sentence - "on HWSNBN's planet, it seems, freaking about on saxophones (groove, groove) can still cure all ills.

I find it incredible that give all that has happened he thinks he should be forgiven and reunited. Am I the only one who cannot see how a reunion would benefit DB?

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:58 pm 
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I do hope the trademark issue has failed but im not so sure it has. He has recently announced a tour using the name.


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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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I have serious doubts about this idea that the case has "failed" as the case still seems very active, according to the US Patent & Trademark office.

According to their published records, a letter was sent to Dave Brock's lawyer just a few days ago, which says (among other things):

In order for the parties to have sufficient time to prepare their respective cases,
counsel have agreed to extend and reset the trial dates as follows:

Plaintiff's 30-day Trial Period Ends 12/4/2015
Defendant's Pretrial Disclosures 12/20/2015
Defendant's 30-day Trial Period Ends 2/4/2016
Plaintiff's Rebuttal Disclosures 2/20/2016
Plaintiff's 15-day Rebuttal Period Ends 3/22/2016


That looks like it's currently active, and set to drag on for many months yet. Note that dates are in the American format of MM/DD/YYYY.


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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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graham wrote:I have serious doubts about this idea that the case has "failed" as the case still seems very active, according to the US Patent & Trademark office.

According to their published records, a letter was sent to Dave Brock's lawyer just a few days ago, which says (among other things):

In order for the parties to have sufficient time to prepare their respective cases,
counsel have agreed to extend and reset the trial dates as follows:

Plaintiff's 30-day Trial Period Ends 12/4/2015
Defendant's Pretrial Disclosures 12/20/2015
Defendant's 30-day Trial Period Ends 2/4/2016
Plaintiff's Rebuttal Disclosures 2/20/2016
Plaintiff's 15-day Rebuttal Period Ends 3/22/2016


That looks like it's currently active, and set to drag on for many months yet. Note that dates are in the American format of MM/DD/YYYY.


In that case must be more misinformation which will come as no great surprise.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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It's a sales promotion to regain the confidence of pissed off fans
before his upcoming US tour.
The wheels of injustice are already in motion and not easily stopped.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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Yes Moonglum i've just looked at the Trademark case documents for the first time in a while and they are very much an ongoing thing as you mention.


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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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"He" quoted on Fbook:

"DAVE INJUNCTED ME FOR CALLING MY BAND EX-HAWKWIND, [ALL MEMBERS BEING EX-MEMBERS OF HAWKWIND], CLAIMING I WAS TRYING TO PASS MY BAND OFF AS HAWKWIND, WHICH OF COURSE, I WAS NOT. UNFORTUNATELY I COULD NOT AFFORD TO FIGHT THE CASE, WAS ILLY-ADVISED BY MY SOLICITOR, DESERTED BY MY MANAGER , AND ENDED UP SETTLING THE MATTER OUT OF COURT, TO MY COST.
IN THE CURRENT SITUATION, IN THE U.S.,THE NAME HAWKWIND WAS TRADE-MARKED IN MY NAME, IN ORDER THAT I MIGHT ATTEMPT TO REDRESS THE SITUATION AND PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT, BY TRANSFERRING THE TRADE-MARK TO THE NAMES OF THE ORIGINAL SIGNATORIES OF THE ORIGINAL UNITED ARTISTS CONTRACT, TERRY OLLIS, MICK SLATTERY, DIKMIK DAVIS, JOHN HARRISON, [DECEASED], AND RATHER THAN DAVE BROCK, DAVE BROCK’S SON, PASCO BROCK.
HAWKWIND AT THE OUTSET WAS ALWAYS A ‘PEOPLES’ BAND, WITH A COMMUNAL SPIRIT WITH ALTERNATIVE IDEA, AND IDEALS, IN AN ALTERNATIVE CUTURE .THOSE WHO WISH TO MAY JUDGE ME AS THEY SEE FIT, BUT THIS WAS DONE OUT OF A SPIRIT OF FAIRNESS, AND INCLUSIVENESS, AND I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT IT A WAY FORWARD. BEST WISHES AND LOVE TO YOU ALL, SEE YOU AT A FESTIVAL VERY SOON,"


You'll never see me again whether it be at a live gig or for free
handouts of your shite.
The UA contract ended in 1974 so what are you going on about?
Get out of our lives man.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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I do not mind him putting his own case forward, but I hate the CAPITAL LETTERS.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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It was a straight copy & paste job Johnny.
I don't know how P. Brock fits into the overall picture.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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I know. He always posts like that! It is like shouting.

Perhaps Pascal Brock gets to inherit the name?

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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Pascoe's on my Facebook list. I don't really know him except in passing but he seems a nice enough chap. He doesn't bang on about his old man, but posts the occasional HW vid.

I don't think anyone quite understands why he's been dragged into it except for the other party's spiteful wish to let *anyone* but DB use the name. That seems to be the measure of things. Love and Peace my arse......

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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gets an article in this month's classic rock mag - such a shame what he is doing


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"Love and Peace my arse......"

I'm sure T-rider would love that in the absence of Phillipe.

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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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Thanks for the updates, all. I live in the US and would really like to see the real Hawkwind. I'm saving my money to travel to the UK. Maybe we can meet up at Hawkeaster (fingers crossed.)


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 Post subject: Re: He Who Shall Not Be Named
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Jimski wrote: Love and Peace my arse......

Sums it up nicely

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