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 Post subject: Great british exit ?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:13 pm 
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Make your mind up time is not too far away now for british nationals, wherever they may reside.
Which direction will you prefer & are you bothered either way ?
Looks like I have a postal vote & even though I think it will be better for little britians interests to stay in, I shall be firmly voting for them to exit.


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good that it comes to a referendum i feel - one thing i continually notice about stuff like this from cameron and colleagues is the phrase 'this country britain' - it was also rampant on the david dimbilbey show the other night - if cameron doesn't realise at this stage that Wales and Scotland exist i would query what he knows - from what i can make of it he wants it both ways - still trade but be 'independent' - it would probable be regressive for ireland (borde stuff/budgets etc) which mightn't be a bad thing - we've already sold our sovereignty to faceless bankers by lick a#s politicians - cast thy vote whichever way!


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 Post subject: Re: Great british exit ?
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Sooner we get out the better. Border controls need reinstating in this era of global terrorism. Personally I hope Cameron is shown to have signed a hollow deal and is booted out along with his Eton cronies. This country needs a proper leader with real cojones and a sense of duty for the ordinary citizen. That rules out the current crop of ALL parties!

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border control's? - to stop 'them' getting out or in?


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The Irish sweetener;
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35615027


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I'll certainly be voting to exit. I do, though, feel saddened that the European Union idea was destroyed by a bunch of power-crazed idiots so that exiting has become necessary. Done properly, it could have been something worthwhile.

But of course that's only the beginning - what next in British politics? More Tories, more Labour, or something new? I think we definitely need something new, especially as the possibility of Labour remembering their socialist roots has degenerated into the farce and hypocrisy of Corbyn, and the Greens have degenerated. The LibDems never got in until they degenerated and because unacceptable. I'm concerned the Green Party may well be going the same way. UKIP are nothing like the lying caricature the other parties and some sections of the media would have us believe, but they're still very fluid; they need decent people, preferably people who haven't been in politics all their lives and not too many people who jump ship from the other parties. We need an end to career politicians, at least.

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I'll be voting for "in", as being in Europe means that we have to follow European legislation. Without those curbs, UK Gov PLC will ride roughshod over us, no matter who's in.


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That's a major reason why I used to like the EU - and it's the reason I'm especially concerned about the government we get afterwards. But considering what the EU's become I can't see how they're curbing anything now. They're just adding to the destruction, and if we stay in and they impose TTIP on us it'll be one hell of a lot worse. Plus, it's a lot more practical to put pressure on our own government than on the EU.

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Nick Clegg's quote made me laugh -

"This is what you get with one party politics: the country's future reduced to uni chums arguing with each other."

And Andrew Neil's is pretty good, too -

"BoGo say he loves Brussels but wants to LEAVE.
Call-Me-Dave says he doesn't love Brussels but wants to REMAIN"

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Let's hope the misleading spin that fooled the electorate into denying us proportional representation doesn't work this time. Sadly we are already seeing fallacious scare tactics.

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The EU has it's own publicity department, which is alleged to spend more per year than Coca Cola spends worldwide. The BBC gets large dollops of bribe money. For quite a while pro-EU activists have been pretending to be ordinary people on social media - not very well, which is how we know they're there. One of them, an ordinary guy from somewhere in the Home Counties, forgot himself and told me I wouldn't say what I'd just said if I could see the inner workings of the EU in Brussels.

So we've had scare tactics, but remarkably little in the way of rational argument, which is of course unsurprising when you can't rationally argue a position.

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"What happens if we vote for Brexit?"

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

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thanks Steam - didn't read the full article but noticed the Lisbon Treaty here - that was voted down here the first time - then the heavy intimidation came in - it then got through and became law - a second vote - the electorate had already voted but the it didn't suit the system - yeah man - i was too thick to know what i voted for - maastricht was something similar - so maybe the Brexit will be a best out of three until the result goes through as is required by the the real people who run those three country's - bankers and civil servants


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smugdruggler wrote:Make your mind up time is not too far away now for british nationals, wherever they may reside.


Yeah, those (estimated) 2 million ex-pats who will lose their rights to free healthcare, freedom of movement, who will have to apply for residential and working visas, freezing of state pension and the probable loss of some state benefits.

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