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 Post subject: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:56 am 
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So, big question, if it is posible to answer at all. Which is better?

I read a lot about it, always had in mind that analog vs digital is just different, both have good and bad sides. Media, Cd vs Vinyl, I always thought and still do that Cd is superior, because how sound is writen. On cd there are no physical contact, cd is always the same, on record needle scratching and spending the record material than if you want details, even after few times on turntable the record is not the same anymore, cracking or other sounds automaticly is inferior to Cd.
Some people insist that cd is better:

http://www.laweekly.com/music/why-cds-m ... yl-5352162


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:00 am 
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I think we talked before about turntables and here is this laser turntable so needle scratching can be over and problem solved. Only problem is this nice machine was invented to late, at begining of gold era of cd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_4sooWCh_Y


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:27 am 
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black adder wrote:I think we talked before about turntables and here is this laser turntable so needle scratching can be over and problem solved. Only problem is this nice machine was invented to late, at begining of gold era of cd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_4sooWCh_Y


Without looking yet, my friend and I talk about this often, because we have been aware of it from Japan for ages but the price was silly.
Are they obtainable now??

and I think the quick and easy answer to the question about sound quality from my own experience and what I have taken in is this:

Vinyl done properly is likely technically a LITTLE better but you must put up with degrees of surface noise as the trade off.

I like the way the Mexican Rush LP I picked up last week seems to follow Hawkwind's lead and throw a cog in the works (lol)

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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:42 am 
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Yes, the only BIG problem about vinyl is surface noise which cd doesnt have. Thats why cant beat cd. If with laser turntable you solve this problem, than I dont see why vinyl would be worse. I can agree in that situation that they are both different but not worse or better. With their own advantages and disadvantage. Problem is this 'primitive' needle scratching sistem. And in article say about this surface force when needle comes near the end of record that it is worse sound from begining part of record etc...

Today there are no analog records. I remember in 1980's digital sound pressed on vinyl. From same digital master are pressed cd's and vinyl. No analog sound.


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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I just watched Vid and it was DELIGHTFUL

These are my thoughts out loud


1) It is always hard for me to believe that vinyl being read by a laser is not now "digital", but then WTF do I know??

2) I think the international community should come together and award Japan for their higheset caliber approach to music.

3) I want to give that man a hug.

4) I love when his foot starts tapping and when he says vinyl is "worth more than money"

5) So the record itself disappears inside the machine and you cannot stare at it when playing??

6) What is this movie called "Vinylmania"? Might have to get some popcorn

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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:09 am 
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Oh yes, forgot, they are still redicilous prices:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELP-Laser-Turnt ... xy7MtRsMIT

1) :D Same feeling. But dude said that laser is doing the same thing as needle, analog sound etc... but I know what you mean.

2) O yes.

3) :lol:

4) Thats love for music

5) It seems so. like cd player

6) :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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Few pics (To bad I am not ritch, I would buy this turntable):

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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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mike coleman wrote:It is always hard for me to believe that vinyl being read by a laser is not now "digital", but then WTF do I know??



Sound is a waveform. Light is a waveform. The world is full of magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfydcrVAKiI

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[quote="SteamAbacus
Sound is a waveform. Light is a waveform. The world is full of magic.

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Strolls into kitchen refrigerator, places 3 batteries in kitty laser toy, and shines a red dot on track 3 side fate

Steve GO FOR IT!@!!

Fashion this EXACT device and record a CD with this for the unique novelty of it.
Use your mastering process to shape it into what you think is right.


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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I just cleaned two days ago few of my records on this one, its very good:

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First this liquid goes on record, than you turn on this machine like on this picture and machine sucking in all dirt and liquid from record.


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I would be SO tempted to sample the noise of it sucking all the dirty goop off the record - and then make a track out of that. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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Only the sound is not what you mean :) Sound is like vacuum cleaner.


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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maybe one day all records will be made analog like in old days. Press of records last 10 or 15 years are much worse quality from old records by press and sound. If you can buy old releases until 1985 or 1989


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 Post subject: Re: Cd vs Vinyl and Analog vs Digital
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Ok if you can now "read" a vinyl lp with a laser, and the new vinyl is same master as CD (digital) then technically CD beats vinyl on every count, provided the CD is well mixed and mastered.

self-proclaimed expert says this:

vinyl is a format based on technology that hasn't evolved much over the last six decades ... . sonically, vinyl has both strengths and weaknesses compared to digital files... an engineer utilises mixed recordings from the studio or laptop to master and cut a lacquer on a '60s Scully lathe, the ruby-tipped device that cuts lacquer discs for plating and vinyl reproduction. , then laquer is impressed upon the sets of metal stampers which will press PVC pellets into vinyl platters. Not every mastering engineering cuts lacquers. lathes haven't been made in decades and are in short supply, which keeps owners of them busy. good vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and fully lossless, and it a little bit more fool-proof and a little bit less technical so not as easy to screw it up !

Well, true, true, and true, but like I said digital playback will beat vinyl if made the right way there's new CD mastering technology now that even some of the major CD labels aren't utilizing yet

(zed for s intentional ! ;-) )

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